Category: Let's talk
Okay, let's start by saying that I'm very thankful for all the improvements that have been made to blind technology such as computers, audio games, cell phones etc. However, I think that some of the stuff that has been invented is totally retarded. Have you ever seen those liquid pourers that play a little music thing when the glass is full? Well, not only is the music really annoying but it also is very useless in my opinion because You should be taught how to either use one finger to tell whether the glass is full or something. Another instrument that I think is absolutely retarded is the phone that tells you like each key that is dialed. I mean aren't you supposed to know how to dial your own numbers, it's not that hard! Well, that's about all the retarded technological inventions that I can think of, if any of you guys have anymore I'd like to hear about them, or if you agree with what I said then let me know. And, you can let me know if you disagree also.
Yes, I definitely agree with you. Some technological inventions are just too much, IMO, and some of them we really just don't need. I second you on the liquid indicator thing. I honestly prefer to use my finger to gauge how much is in the glass, but maybe that isn't polite or politically correct? I'm not sure. Instead of making us more independent, they make us less so.
Just my thoughts...
Okay, if you're filling your own glass, then I can see where the finger over the edge would come in handy. What if you've got people at your house and you're pouring them something to drink? They'd probably feel uncomfortable knowing that you had used that particular method to tell when the glass was full, and that's only if they ask how you know when you're nearing the brim. A liquid level indicator would also come in handy if you're pouring something hot, and don't want to burn yourself. As for the cell phones that speak every button pressed, what if the person using it didn't have a strong sense of touch? They'd need the speech to indicate that the button being pressed is the one they wanted to hit.
that's why you keep it on the down low. lol.
I think there are times when we have to think outside ourselves, and our own capabilities and/or needs. As an example, I'm a braille enthusiast. I rarely use books on tape, but I see where it fills a need for many people. I love braille labels, but some people can't read braille because of diabetes, and other issues. For them, textured labels or rubber bands or other surfaces that are discernable by touch may have more meaning or use. In the case of the liquid level indicator, the song may be annoying, but a person who is deaf-blind may put his/her finger on the device and feel it vibrating. This beats putting a finger in the glass in those instances where one is pouring for someone else who might not care for such things.
Lou
I still don't like that liquid poring thing and as far as people beeing uncomfortable, I think that not having these devices helps us educate people about what we are and ar not capable of doing for ourselves. And as far as the phones, I was not talking about cell phones, I was talking about regular phones
I do wish they'd make a retarded piece of technology to help us cut food a lil better. Every time I try, I end up making a mess!
Yeah, I haven't quite mastered the use of a knife and fork either. I've not seen the regular phones that tell you the numbers, but now that my mistake has been made clear, it really does sound stupid.
i have got two of the phones whih tell you what numbers you are dialing, and I think they are great, and it's not because I don't know my keypad! it is because they were on an offer on a website and they have headset capability. mind you, the voice says more than just the numbers, it's good for letting you know if you'v stored a number in the directory in the right manner. re level indecators, I've tried many, and they're all total rubbish. I think if your hands are clean, as mine always are when making drinks etc, that the finger just over the edge of the glass is okay. all the devices I have used to level indecate have led to me either undershooting my mark,or overshooting it. dumb technolgies have to include anything that plays a silly tune when switching off, including some of the talking book players these days. not saying the players themselves are stupid, just some of the jangly bits are. I love daisy format books!
Yeah, i use my finger over the edge of a hot or cold drink. The liquid level indicater just gives me a shocking headache when it screeches at me to tell me the glass/mug is full, so mine's just sat right at the back of our kitchen cupboard where we keep our tea and coffee lollol, and it isn't used, ever. As for the phones, why couldn't a visually impaired person just turn the keypad and dialling tones on so they'd know from the dialling tone what numbers they're presssing? I think it's more grown-up than one of those baby toy talking phones like the Oasys 22C. I only had mine about a month or so before I sent it back to RNIB, absolutely disgusted with its, performance and its looks and invested in my first Nokia 7610 phone with Talks 60, then scrubbed that phone for an N70 which is on the desk here as I write this post. The language master's well, sort of a bad idea, but a useful little toy when you've got nothing else to do with your hands and you can't use your wireless laptop and go online. Other than that though, I think we're very lucky that we can use laptops, PCs, phones and various other items of office, kitchen and household equipment and appliances because they're either tactile/brailled or they have speech chips in them so they can tell you which buttons you're pressing and which will do whatever it does to make life just slightly easier for us.
The first time I discovered what one of those liquid level indicaters was, it was several years ago when I went to the Rehab Center for the Blind, and back then they I'm guessing only had the squealy one's, because that's what we were shown, and I pretty much decided right then and there I wouldn't want one of them. I was taught like most people already mentioned as well as in some cases being able to feel the coldness of the liquid come up to a certain level of the cup to measure it that way, so I never felt the need for one, and the way I look at pouring other peoples' drinks, if you're so squemish that my finger's touched your drink, pour your own.
the old rule applies, you see chefs using their bare hands to prepare food all the time, good hygene, and no problems with the finger over the edge of the cup.
as far as the liquid indicator being retarded, that's your opinion. what about people who have cerebral palsy and can't tell if they've reached the top of the glass? I have that problem, and find the liquid indicator to be quite helpful.
Obviously none of you have had a job where you all drink out of community coffie pots, and you have no control over weather the coffie is practically boiling and would burn your finger.
it's all relative, you speak from your own experience, I find the indecatos unrelyable, but others may not, re boiling coffee, that's the risk you take if you use your finger to judge levels. The only problem with the level indecators is that in my exprience, the indecators can give faulse readings, and I want my tea or coffee today nt tomorrow.
yeah, thoughs phones that tell you each number as you press it is as retarted as thoughs screen reading programs that speak every letter as you press it. you know, like jaws that the majority of you use? I mean hey, we should all know how to touch type and be fluent computer users before we're let near one right? and before you come back and say that it is different because theer are more keys to learn on a keyboard than a phone keypad. Your blind, and super human and don't need adaptive technology remember? apparently all this stuff is just going to far and your all out to prove something so come on, we can't make life to easy for you now. Then your not indipendent. lets take away the talking atm's as well, and elivators with audible anouncements. I mean hey you should know what floor your getting out at if your blind and super human. we don't need anything. Seriously, find something worth while to waste board space with.
thank you, very well said.
we are? can we fly too?lol, jk
well said on post 16
ok, yes, i know how to type, but i still like my jaws to read me the letters, just so i know for sure... as for the level indicator that's retarded, unless you have CP or some other thing like that, then i find it quite fine if they chose to use it, i dont have anything like that, but i can empithize with the people that do, and person, we arent super human, so get over you're little happy illusion that we are
Well said, poster 19
I agree with people who said that some technology might be unnessesary for some but usefull for some others. The only thing that i don't like is the rooster sound on some clocks and watches. It is so unrealistick.
I can understand what Nicos means there. The roosters on those cheapy RNIB watches sounds like a strangled cat (my appologies to all catlovers here) or a particually tiny and fraxious baby, lollol.
Jen.
Yeah, those roosters do annoy me.What's worse are the watches or clocks where you press the button for the time and it actually says, "The time is ..." before giving you the actual time.
I have to agree here. The rooster is annoying. If someone is a sound sleeper, it might be effective, but I know it doesn't work for me. My alarm clock has four feet, and walks on the button of my talking alarm. Works really well for me, and he's learned to duck my swinging arm.
Lou
They all seem to treat us like retards.
It is a left-handed sort of jesture--they won't come out and say it--but they think we're drewling morons.
Lol. Reading this topic amused me. I agree that the level indicators and phones that say each number as you press them are a bit much, but that's only as far as I'm concerned. Everyone needs different degrees of assistance, and using such things or not using them doesn't make a person any more or less independent. That's why they were created, so that we can become more independent. To create a board just to complain that certain technology is 'retarded' is, well, pretty retarded. If you think something is unnecessary, don't use it. Pretty basic concept, really.
And as an aside: I find it incredibly annoying to have Jaws set to read every key as it's pressed, and I agree that the rooster sound is horrible.
i hate the rooster sound, i get pissed off when i hear it...
what about the noise that some of the watches and clocks make when you check the time; the kind of bong sound? lol it sounds like a cartoon character getting bonked in the head. heheh
Let's start from the beginning. The fact that the only word you can come up with to describe this blindness technology is "retarded" is rather alarming in itself. But more to the point, what would happen if someone was equally narrow-minded and didn't feel great need for those retarded tactile strips on the edge of train platforms because people can see the yellow line? Yes, we'd have a bunch of people getting killed, day in and day out. And who needs those ramps and cutouts on intersections? We all can step off the curb when crossing, can we not? More to the point, have you any idea why the Americans With Disabilities Act and similar legislation exists? Because someone was a bit smarter to see that there is not just one standard of people, not in today's society. On a more relevant note, it allowed us to advance and even get to the point where we can use computers. And the beauty of that is, people like yourself now have the ability to complain about it in style. There's not one standard of blind people, and it goes far beyond how long the person's been blind. Personally, I can care less what technology you use. As long as you're giving back to society and aren't an absolute paricite, I'd say you're doing OK. Not everybody is born blind, and not everybody is born knowing everything. If that really was the case, I wouldn't be wasting board space and entertaining myself with the idea of making someone look extremely naive.
Thank you poster 29. wanted to say something similar, but couldn't put it in to words because I'm not that great at stuff like that
dear colombian coke
I would like to start by saying that is crazy that out of all the people you are complaining about this.
I say this because the country that you come from does not have not even half of the technology available for blind people to begin with.
I know this because i lived in south america Ecuador to be exact and none of what we have is available there.
So instead of bitching you should be thankful that you have all of this stuff you complain about because I know people that would give the world to have half of the things we have.
Also, while some things might seem stupid or retarded to you you should stop only thinking about yourself and think of others and there needs.
and last have a good day.
Aw'w'w, I forgot to say, my 11-week-old cousin Robbie's already doing a very good impression of the roosters on the talking watches, lollol. I think it's his atention-seeking noise.
"if you don't pick me up and play with me any minute now, I'm gonna roar my f***ing head off". He was doing it last night when we were all round Auntie Lou's house and he was in his bouncy chair and didn't want to zonk, bless him.
Jen.
I think some people need to learn how to read! In the first place, I wasn't trying in any way to discredit technology, I mean didn't you see that the first thing I said was that I was thankful for technology? And I do agree with the fact that the roosters are the most annoying thing! I had one for like two years, and oh my gosh!
Well, All people are different, so that's why there is different technology. Like they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure. I myself love the ruister on my talking clock. It's the only sound that wakes me up in the morning. And the liquid indicaters, they are helpful especially pooring hot drinks. Instead of complaining, be thankful for what we have.
what we may call retarted or useless, if it helps some one that needs extra help, then its served its purpose. May be some can't feel well with their fingers, or may be they are comfortable with a voice telling them the number. Who to say something is dumb if it really can make a difference to some one wanting to be on their own and needing extra assistance.
Related to this, sighted people like some of our technology beyond the "gee whiz" aspects. I had a boss in college who always used my talking calculator. She could look at the payroll columns and not take her eyes off of the figures.
Lou
everyone I hang out with or poor stuff for doesn't care that i check with my fingure. It's not like I masterbated and then poored them a drink. COme on now. We get more bacteria from the air we breathe.
Oh jesus!
Isn't that a plesent thought. *sarcastic*
Hmmm!
Post 1:
While the liquid level indicator might not be something you're thankful for, I'm definitely glad it prevents me from having to stick my fingers in someone else's drink. it's not proper eticate and I'm glad I'm not too proud to use it. Yes, I know how to stick my finger in the edge of my glass, yes, I know if I wash my hands it shouldn't be a big deal. but the truth is, if you have sighted people around you, it looks much nicer to have something that can be cleaned, that they know is probably kept put away, and that you can say keeps you from looking like less than a sighted person. Do sighted people stick their fingers in your drink when they make them? Hopefully not. No, I'm not saying that I pretend to be sighted. I know I'm blind, and am not ashamed of the fact. What I don't want to do, is feel unequal, by saying, well, sorry but, because I'm blind, you'll have to excuse my finger in your glass. As for the phone, I don't personally use anything that speaks when I dial, or rather, the phone I have could do that, but i prefer it not to, so it doesn't. But I can say, some people prefer to know that they didn't accidentally misdial. it's not hard to do, especially if you're in a hurry.
Post 6:
You still may not like them but as I said about your first post, liquid level indicators have nothing to do with what we can or can't do, but I don't like burning myself, as was pointed out, and I don't think it is proper for you to stick your finger in anyone else's glass.
Posts 8 and 9 because they are about the same thing:
I'm not quite sure how to tell you this, but use of a knife and fork aren't difficult. I realize that some people might have a harder time of it than others, but over all, stabbing the food with your fork, and holding the fork in place, and then pressing firmly with the knife, as you move it back and forth over the meat, since that's usually what it is you're cutting with use of a fork, should do the trick.
Post 16:
Lmao! I agree, but am trying to post constructively, not that it'll really do any good. I mean, at least with jaws you can decide whether or not it talks back at you, for typing, but really, sometimes people these days... Whine because they don't have anything to help them, then whine when they do get something... Can't please everyone I suppose but... Totally annoying if you ask me! Either you want assisstive technology or you don't. If you do, shut up and stop whining, if not, then, please, uninstall JAWS, and tell me how well you use a computer without it, because if you manage it, I'd like to try.
Posts 19 and 20:
16 was actually being sarcastic, because of how ungreatful everyone is sounding. Personally I agree with his post.
Posts 21 and 22:
Perhaps the rooster is annoying, but have you come up with a better sound they should use? Or hang on... maybe the idea is, there is variety, so you should choose a watch or clock that has a different sound? Ooo, that's it! Wow, what an idea!
Post 23:
I do agree with this, and am not afraid to do so. Probably, if it is a watch or a clock, the person knows what they're about to hear. Telling me that you're going to tell me the time, is pointless.
Post 24:
Lmao! Yonkers is good for that, to.
Post 28:
As I also agreed with post 23, I agree with you. The noise is pointless and only stands to atract attention which, I definitely don't want.
Post 29:
Definitely well said. Though I do believe that wheelchair ramps complicate it for blind persons, I realize they are there, for those in wheelchairs. So, of course, I don't complain about them. Furthermore, I use a guide dog, and he knows where to stop on a platform at a subway station but, yet again, I realize that there are cane users who do need that indication, and so, don't complain.
Post 36:
Lmao! It does make sense, though. Even my mom told me she wanted me to teach her how to use jaws, at least for reading, because she's taking college courses online, and she says sometimes, she gets tired of reading with her eyes, and wished she had someone or something to read to her. So, really, there are some things, that play a role, even for sighted people. If someone took the time to invent it, surely someone out there needs it.
And now, i'll definitely shut up, because this is suuuuper long, and I'm probably posting this in vaine.
may you always find shade and water,
Amber
Talk about to much time in your hands. hmmm,
Nice analysis though.
yeah i dont really like the roosters on those watches or clocks. the voice sounds like a little kids voice as well. but i have a talking clock that my uncle gave me that has a woman's voice on it, and it announces the time and temperature. the alarm sounds nice as well. it is a quiet coo coo sound, like a little bird. the only problem that i find with that clock is that 2 of the buttons do not announce what their funtion is.
teh liquid level indicator: I had an old one in like 1990 or whenever, it was the kind that buzzed from a 9 volt battery, and it often was too heavy for the cup and tipped it over. lol The method that works best for me when pouring is to hold my hand on the outside of the glass just below the rim. When the temperature changes under my hand, I know to stop pouring.
phones that echo numbers: I never in a million years thought I'd need one, but cell phones today have almost completely indiscernible keypads and I find the echo feedback on my samsung very helpful.
alarm clocks: although I prefer the coocoo sound, I find the rooster to be the only thing that wakes me up. That is quickly followed by my cat perching on top a piece of furniture and howling till I get up. lol
It is true that some might have no choice but to use one of those devices, but I'll be damned if I am dependant on a level indicator to tell me when I fill the glass. With moste liquids I can see enough to get it full but its just faster to wash your hands and use the tip of your finger.
yeah that is what i do as well. it actually came naturally for me to use the tip of my finger when i started to lose my sight.
Hi, all. Wow, what an interesting topic, and posts. Amber, poster 41, I wish more posters on the Zone did what you did: took all you wanted to respond to, and put it on one post, instead of a zillion one-liners. Way to go.
I could have overlooked this, but there's one thing people haven't mentioned about pouring liquid into a glass. Often times, you can hear how full your glass is getting by the sound of the liquid going into it. The pitch goes up as the glass gets fuller, and you can hear that it's closer to the top of the cup. Second, I have never had any sighted person say they had a problem with me using one finger when I'm pouring a drink for them. As long as one engages in routine handwashing and maintains good personal hygiene, I don't see the big deal, and neither has any sighted person I've ever known.
I choose to keep key echo off with my JAWS. It drives me crazy to hear it say every letter I type.
The other one I haven't seen mentioned here is the toilet for the blind that was invented a few years ago. I remember doing some reading about it. It had the toilet paper rolls attached to the sides of it, so blind people wouldn't have to search for the TP. It also apparently came with funnels so blind men wouldn't have to aim. Um, wow. I'm not a blind man, so I can't speak to the funnels and aiming thing, but I can say that I've never really had difficulty locating the TP. Crazy stuff.
Wow! I haven't heard of the toilet for the blind. Opens up a whole new topic for the jokeboard.
Lou
lol. oh my god! r u serious! toilet for the blind. roflroflroflroflrofl.
Wow Amber's post said it all. lol I think we should be friends because we think so alike! heheheehe Seriously though. Not to be mean but knowing that so many blind people stick their fingers in a drhink while pouring shocks me. I've always been taught never to do that because it's just not right! I can always tell when my glass is almost full because of how heavy the glass is and from the way the liquid sounds when you pour. And I think you should use the "Retarded" liquid level indicator until you've learned not to stick your fingers in a drink...
I too never learned about such "retarded" technology till I went to an independent living program at the age of 16 so had to learn how to pour without one. lol The pouring accidents I used to have when I was younger... I was secretly thankful when my instructor at the center told me she felt it wrong to stick your fingers in someone else's drink because I just don't do that. And as for people using phones that say every number, who gives a shit. Some people need them just like the majority of you need liquid level indicators. lol I'm so glad my younger blind brother and sisters were taught how to pour correctly. I guess my mom was all about cleanliness while cooking and I just have it instilled in me. lol Oh and BTW, I totally agree with puggle and Chris. Grrrr! People will complain what ever you do.
Michelle
I see that post 42's author knows it all. I'm damned if I'll get the level indicator just to pour someone a drink. If that someone don't like the fact that I'm using my finger, he, she or it can pour his, her or it's own drink. And uninstallation of jaws is not to difficult. Window eyes rules.
I hate talking watches and found it really annoying when I used to wear mine fror scfhool and one of the people in my class came up and kept asking to press it. I told him it wasn't for messing about with eventually but he still did it, so I took it off and put it in my coat that was on a chair and he went and got it and pressed it again. I don't mind my talking alarm clock, though it can be hard to understand sometimes because I think it says 30 when it says 40, but for watches I just use a tactile one now, after I accidentally took my old taking one in the shower and broke it! Oops! I think the audible liquid level indicators are really stupid because they make a horrible noise and if I'm using one, it just gets thrown back where it was as soon as I've finishede with it.
well when i make drinks for my friends, i do not use my finger to tell when the glass is full. i use the pich method, but when i am pouring drinks for myself, i use my finger.
That's awesome, Somanea!
I don't use the liquid level indicator when I'm making drinks for myself, but I would do for other people.
hey u guys think that all of those inventions r retarded? check this out.
These 'smart shoes' for the blind were made for walking
LOWELL, Mass. (AP) — The buzz is all about Richard N. Castle's new shoes for the blind. Put them on and walk around, and the sides of the shoes begin to
shake. Approach a wall or an object, and they shake faster. Move around, and different parts of the shoes vibrate. The shoes are equipped with infrared
sensors that sense objects up to a meter away and trigger vibrations corresponding to the location and size of obstacles.
The model is only a prototype, but Castle, of Dracut, already holds a provisional patent for the invention. He hopes to find a possible buyer, then develop
more sophisticated shoes that could help blind people navigate their homes or the streets.
"When you get used to it, you can feel what's around you. You can tell when you're closer to something or farther away," Castle told
The Sun
of Lowell.
For a blind person, the shoes could provide a way to get around without a walking stick or seeing-eye dog, he explained. Rather than using a cane around
the house, a wearer could rely on the shoes to tell him where a doorway or the coffee table is located.
"It will have a wider application, the more sophisticated he could make the sensing equipment," said Dana Bernor, an adaptive equipment instructor at the
Lowell Association for the Blind. "I could see them as something useful for somebody who needs to use a cane indoors."
Castle, a recent graduate of the University of Massachusetts at Lowell, came up with the idea last year as part of a senior project for his electrical engineering
major. All students in the program must develop a new device that could help people with disabilities.
While researching devices for quadriplegics, he came across a system that used sensors in the walls of a house to set off an alert when a wheelchair got
too close. That gave him the idea to take the technology off the walls and put it in shoes.
Castle hopes to create a more waterproof shoe by embedding much of the circuitry in the soles, and wants to create some kind of sensor that would detect
when the wearer is walking down stairs.
The cost of creating the shoes was a bit more than $200. At $20, the shoes were the most expensive item.
The design and creation of the shoes was so inexpensive and so easy that Castle was surprised he was the first to come up with the idea.
"It's so simple. I can't believe someone hasn't thought of it before," he said.
Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard of. hahahhahaha.
you've gotta be kidding. if there's a way to free up your hands, i'm all for it.
well the thing is. first of all, the person is using incorrect terms. walking stick? lolololol. i would rather use a cane than use those shoes. and another thing is that most blind people never use a cane in their own homes. i know i don't.
hmm that is pretty dumb lol, but it was for a grade I guess. I agree with amber all the way lol
That's stupid as hell. time to teach him a lesson. I think he should have done his research more thoroughly, rather than assuming that we all use the cane in our homes.
I'm all for any innovation, such as the shoes in post #57, being brought to market; wondering where I can find a demo. As mentioned on post #58, if it frees up the hands, good deal! Let's let the product succeed or fail on its merrits.
Wow, these shoes are right on the level of the toilet I wrote about earlier.
agreed with posts 61 and 63.
I don't think I'd be so quick to dismiss the idea. The inventor's seeming underlying assumption that people who are blind use their canes in their own home may be inaccurate, but depending on the responsiveness of the sensors and the ability of the wearer, there may be other uses for them. Think about running around outside, or maybe doing sports and finding the walls of the playing area in an arena. How many times have some of us had to carry lots of packages or luggage and didn't have a hand free to use a cane? This in a sense goes back full circle in labeling any technology is "retarded". It depends on the user, and the use of the technology.
Lou
Now, wouldn't it be neat if he incorporated the censors into a shoe insert rather than a shoe? That way, we could still wear our usual shoes, and not be tied to the few designs this guy will produce. I think, if it's sophisticated enough, it's a great idea! It'd be wonderful to walk around with both hands free outside.
And, why would you rather use a conspicuous cane, than wear a pair of shoes? Give me the shoes any day!
FM
It would seem to me that in order to be accurate, the actual sensing element would need to be on the exterior of the shoes, where they'd be les effected by body heat. This does bring into question the effect the elements (rain, sleet snow, etc.) would have on the sensors as well.
Lou
I see a few problems with the shoes. One, they don't sound like they'd give you as much feedback as a cane; no echolocation, no warning of drop-offs, no improved visibility by drivers at night, etc.
Second, the cane let's others know you are blind.
Third, how much would they cost? A cane is about $40 on the high side.
Basically, from my experience, most blind people need ot worry more about proper training from successful blind people than trying to make tech solve all their problems.
yeah no doubt. give me a cane or a guide dog any day.
lol I think those shoes are neat. hehehe I was walking up to our door and there was a bench on the side of the walk way and I couldn't use my cane propperly because my hands were full with groceries. I tripped over the bench and bruised my thigh. Can I say outch! hehehe I didn't realize I wasn't walking in a straight line. hehehe So I would actually like those shoes. Yay for the progress of technology!
Michelle
Agree with Michelle on that one. I'm not saying that I'd abandon my cane, but her example is exactly the kind of thing I was referring to in my earlier post. To the poster who said that essentially shoes won't enhance your visibility, I agree. That's a strong plus for the cane. When I was in grad school, I went a step further. I had a cane with a flashing light in the middle, because I woldn't get home from class till 11:00 at night on busses and walking, and I wanted to be visible.
Lou
I guess I've never viewed my cane as negatively conspicuous. Sure, it marks me as blind, but that's what I am, and I like myself. Not to mention that the public will figure out my blindness eventually anyway. And, if you still have to carry a cane or use a dog when using these shoes, for example, then what's the point of the shoes anyway? I'll just stick with my cane.
Its very interesting to read all these views. For the most part, I think all of us are reluctant to part with the cane. As a die-hard cane user, I agree. . If the shoes do work as promised, however, I certainly see a value in them as well. I think any other mobility aid should be used as an enhancement, and not a substitute to independent functioning.
Lou
well yeah. lugging groceries and using a cane is hard.